Topic: https://brettterpstra.com/2011/07/29/nvalt-2-1-in-the-wild/
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dev 13y, 13d ago
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tim 13y, 13d ago

thanks - works a charm

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tim 13y, 13d ago

same problem here...

anyone have a link to the older nvALT 2.0 version?

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Alex Sa 13y, 52d ago

Brett, thanks for your brilliant work!

However, you do mention 'Lion fullscreen' among the newest features. But when using nvALT in fullscreen it's completely impossible to switch to other [fullscreen] applications or to call out Mission Control.

Don't you plan to add that kind of OS X compatibility?

Thanks once again,

Alex

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Coolspec 13y, 106d ago

Hi Brett

I already have converted to text files. I now want to throw everything into My Documents so I have only one large base. (Please note: I don't have subfolders anymore in my documents since I started tagging). In other words, rather than reading from the Notational folder, I would read from documents. Does that make sense?

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elasticthreads 13y, 106d ago

You can try it. However, the more files in your Documents folder (including non-.txt files) the worse nvALT will perform. I'd recommend backing up your current notes folder before doing this.

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Coolspec 13y, 107d ago

Hi Brett

Would it make sense if I mix all of my notes inside my documents now that I have everything tagged? I would set preferences to : Read notes from Documents: What's your take on this?

Claude

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Brett 13y, 106d ago

Do you mean convert from database to text files? If that's the question, then I highly recommend it. It makes integration with other tools much easier, and your tags will remain in place (and also be applied as OpenMeta tags on the files themselves).

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Coolspec 13y, 106d ago

I already have converted to text file. My data is in the notational folder; I now want to swing all the individual files in "my documents" folder (I don't have subfolders anymore) to make one big data base and read from there.

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Jean 13y, 119d ago

I love it. But I think the ability to search the bunch of texts in the nvALT folder or in the database by tag would be a great feature. Anyway, by looking for this feature on the net, I found a little app to do this on my computer and it does a good job: [TagLists](http://hasseg.org/tagLists/ "Open the webpage"). Hope this kind of feature for the next release.

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Alan 13y, 137d ago

It's been a while since the original post. I figure it's time to check in and see if an estimated time line for 2.2 has been developed yet.

If you need beta testers, I'd be happy to volunteer.

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Brett 13y, 137d ago

It's mostly feature-complete at this point, but I have a slew of bug reports to handle. The slow progress is my fault, just too many irons in the fire right now. Soon, though... I'm working on it as much as possible this week.

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Alan 13y, 137d ago

You'll get no greif from me about the number of irons in the fire. And also no rushing. I'm eager, but enjoying Marked more than enough to appreciate what you do beyond nvAlt.

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eli 13y, 161d ago

A big "Thank you!" for the great work and a feature request: would it be possible to run multiple instances of NV/nvALT on the same machine?

This would be very useful if you had two different usage modes for NV. For instance I would like to use one instance as a daily journal and another instance as a data repository. Having these two types of notes mixed together can get a little confusing.

I tried running two copies at the same time, but they both look for the "Interim" file and one copy asks to quit the other as soon as it is launched.

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Dennis 13y, 206d ago

any one having an issue with 'Find' on Lion, i have new macbook air and nothing is happening when hitting command-F

thanks for any help

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Brett 13y, 205d ago

This is a known issue in both NV and nvALT, but a fix is in progress.

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Bryan 13y, 79d ago

Hi there. Is this still in progress?

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Brett 13y, 78d ago

Very much so. New release coming soon, and it kinda rocks.

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Bryan 13y, 78d ago

Awesome.

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jebni 13y, 213d ago

Hey Brett, I've found a weird Simplenote syncing bug in 2.1: I use Markdown's "+" syntax (rather than "*") for lists, and have found that these sync to Simplenote as spaces. The characters remain correct in my local Notational Data files, so its only NValt pushing the incorrect characters to Simplenote.

Is this some kind of weird sanitisation bug? When I switch to my copy of Notational Velocity (which uses the same Notational Data folder) and force a sync by editing any of the files affected, they're restored to their proper state in Simplenote.

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Brett 13y, 213d ago

We'll have to look into it. If the bug has been fixed in NV, then the problem will be quickly corrected as we begin the merge with the current codebase.

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jebni 13y, 213d ago

Thanks, Brett. I should note that this bug seems new to 2.1, as it modified a bunch of old files (created in NV, SimpleNote and NValt).

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Tom 13y, 228d ago

"The current features of nvALT are going to be merged into the main Notational Velocity trunk. nvALT will exist as a “cutting edge” development channel. We’re excited about this change and about bringing the additional features of nvALT to the wider NV audience."

Is there a roadmap/a more detailed announcement?

Tom

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elasticthreads 13y, 228d ago

No roadmap or detailed announcement yet. Zach aka Scrod, the developer of NV, has added Brett and I as contributors to the NV source. We're still working out how it will all play out.

We're talking about nvALT as a (Google Chrome style) "dev" or "beta" channel. Hopefully, not too buggy, but an opportunity for NV/nvALT developers to try out features, UI, and other ideas. Eventually the successful ideas will filter down into NV.

Some of this has been happening since my early, "NV" betas (before Brett and I joined forces), but we might eventually get more involved in NV's code base. And Scrod may get more involved in nvALT's code base.

The next, very important, step is for Brett and I to bring nvALT up to NV's current code base. We've been a step behind for a while, NV is currently at b5. nvALT is based on NVb4 (though we have selectively added some of b5's features). Until that happens, its hard to argue that nvALT is ahead of NV.

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elasticthreads 13y, 228d ago

I should add that bringing nvALT up to b5, along with some Lion goodies, are the two priorities for 2.2. Which we hope to release faster than 2.1

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a guy 13y, 230d ago

I have forgotten to add, that the note-files (I save them as rtfd) are not being read from local storage, except the newest one. However, nvALT is aware of them, as I can see it mentioning them in the log:

03.08.11 07:34:07 nvALT[393] com.apple.console FILE WAS MODIFIED: Lemmings Level 9 Code- OKJOLHCKCR.rtf

I don't know what changed them, it sure was not me, and not all notes got changed, but this is just to show, that nvALT is aware of the files, still does not load them (except first one) and does not sync with Simplenotes.

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Paul DeCarli 13y, 230d ago

It seems that "Check Spelling While Typing" causes autocorrection (damn you autocorrect) of words even when "Use Automatic Text Replacement" (under the Edit menu) is turned off. Is this a feature or a bug?

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Chris 13y, 192d ago

Experiencing this too and it's insanely annoying. Is there a way to actually disable, or do I have to switch back to NV? The autocorrections are so bad I can't keep using the app at this rate.

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Sam 13y, 217d ago

Yeah... I'm experiencing this too. I'm thinking this is bug. Help?

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a guy 13y, 231d ago

Sorry, forget the last error. After restart it showed up on all spaces, as configured in the system prefs. Still, no sync.

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a guy 13y, 231d ago

02.08.11 15:35:47 nvALT[6978] com.apple.console collector-Fetcher(5FB8E0, https://simple-note.appspot... returned Interner Serverfehler

I can not get it to sync with Simplenote. I am on Macbook1,1 1.8GHz CoreDuo, 2GB RAM, OS X 10.6.8

Also, if I select to show nvALT on "All Spaces" it still only shows up on "Space 1"

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elasticthreads 13y, 231d ago

Good point. I think I'll make it so if you turn on (in nvALT) "Convert imported URLs to Markdown" this happens. That way importing urls or text into nvALT gets converted to markdown.

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Alex Popescu 13y, 231d ago

Elastic threads doesn't have commenting enabled, so I'm posting my suggestion for the Safari extension here.

Currently "Create note from selection" results in a new note with the title extracted from the selection and the following body:

From <url>:

<selection>

I'd suggest making this more "Markdowny":

From [page_title](url):

> <selection> // proper Markdown blockquote indenting

For this I have updated global.js:

else if (event.command === "selToNV")
{
if(event.userInfo.href==""){
title = safari.application.activeBrowserWindow.activeTab.title; //titleFromBody(body);
url = safari.application.activeBrowserWindow.activeTab.url;
url = "From ["+title+"]("+url + "):";
url = encodeURIComponent(url);
//title = encodeURIComponent(title);
body = event.userInfo.selection;
if (body) {
body = "> " + body;
}
body = body.replace(/(\r\n|\n+|\r)/gm,"\n");
body = body.replace(/\n/g,"\n> \n> ");
body = encodeURIComponent(body);
body = url + "%0D%0D"+body;
nvText(title,body);
}else{
title = event.userInfo.selection;
title = titleFromBody(title);
url = event.userInfo.href;
nvLink(url, title);
}
}
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dev 13y, 231d ago

after upgrading many entries have been modified, resulting in the "modified date" to be screwed!

sorting by date is now a mess, and is very hard to find my last notes, having hundreds of them...

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Brett 13y, 231d ago

Our implementation of tag sync currently sets a modified date when it syncs the tags. That may be the culprit, and I'm afraid there's not much we can do about it. We're working to fix this behavior, and moving forward it should have less affect on your notes, but I apologize for the initial problems it caused.

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dev 13y, 231d ago

I can downgrade to 2.0 and use a backup (luckily I use dropbox and I can rollback to previous db versions).

perhaps I will wait till 2.2.

thank you for the prompt answer

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elasticthreads 13y, 231d ago

There's a bug in this site's CSS that's hiding the Reply link to your step by step report below. So i'm commenting here.

The ideal sync is definitely to sync note and meta separately and only modify dates for modified notes. I'm just saying that it will be difficult to implement, probably not going to get done by 2.2. so that in the interim we'll likely add an option to sync tags or not and then you can upgrade without screwing up your metadata.

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Brett 13y, 231d ago

Not a bug, a limit on thread depth.

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elasticthreads 13y, 231d ago

We haven't actually established that Simplenote tag syncing is the cause of this issue. Would you mind doing a test of 1. Opening up nvALT 2.1 and turn off Simplenote sync, then quit nvALT. 2. rollback your db to previous version. 3. re-open nvALT. Do your modified dates change again? Or are they correct?

Assuming tag sync is the issue:
I'm not super familiar with the tag syncing implementation, but I think it will be difficult to NOT modify note dates when syncing tags (because note dates SHOULD be modified if the note body gets changed during sync). Its unlikely this fix will make it into 2.2. I think what we can do for 2.2 is add a preference setting to sync tags or not (but still sync notes). That way you (and anyone else who depends on Modified Date metadata) can upgrade to 2.2 and get all the upgrades except tag syncing.

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dev 13y, 231d ago

It's definitely the sync, I did this test:

<ul>
<li>close nvalt</li>
<li>restore db</li>
<li>start nvalt 2.0</li>
<li>disable simplenote sync</li>
<li>close nvalt 2.0</li>
<li>start nvalt 2.1</li>
<li>

wait a while... nothing happens, notes are ok

</li>
<li>

close nvalt

</li>
<li>restore db</li>
<li>start nvalt 2.0</li>
<li>enable simplenote sync</li>
<li>close nvalt 2.0</li>
<li>start nvalt 2.1</li>
<li>wait a while... notes' last mod date is changed </li>
</ul>

Can I suggest to sync content and metadata separately ?
1) When you sync content, edit the last mod date
2) When you sync metadata, don't touch the last mod date

Alternatively, ask the user if he wants to update the "last modified date" when metadata is changed, with an option as you suggested.

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Nick 13y, 233d ago

Hmm, doesn't look like it actually syncs to Simplenote in Lion anyway. I have iPad with Simplenote right in front of me and I am keeping eye on it all day, waiting for notes to appear, but nothing is happening.

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Vascouno 13y, 233d ago

Nick, altNV 2.1/Lion syncs with Simplenote fine. I've written a note on iPad and iPhone/Nebulous Notes (prefer to SN, but syncs with SN in DropBox), and it appeared in altNV on Mac. Also wrote note in altNV on Mac and it appeared in IOS Neb Notes and SN.

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Nick 13y, 232d ago

Yep, now works, sorry. Guess it was related to this:

1 Aug 2011 02:49:41.074 nvALT: Fetcher(5189B30, https://simple-note.appspot... returned internal server error

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sunwook 13y, 233d ago

Thanks for the great update. Yet, I see a possible bug when looking up a word. When looking a word, the dictionary pops over and doesn't go away at all unless I restart the nvALT app. Or, sometimes the app crashes if I keep looking up other words.

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Paul DeCarli 13y, 233d ago

FWIW this bug was in the previous version as well.

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Paul DeCarli 13y, 234d ago

nvALT 2.1 is great but I've found what might be a bug. When trying to save a PDF (via preview/print/Save as PDF…) it results in a plank page. I'm running 10.6.7

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Brett 13y, 234d ago

Wow, you're right. That wasn't happening to me when I built the feature, but it's definitely happening now. Thanks, look for an update soon.

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Paul DeCarli 13y, 234d ago

No, thank you!

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Brett 13y, 234d ago

I take it back. It's working on my Air, but not on my Mac Pro even after adding my local printer. This is odd…

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Brett 13y, 232d ago

Those divs are completely removed in the next update, so it shouldn't be an issue. There is, however, a media query for print in there that should have overridden the styling. I'll look into why it's not.

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Camron Flanders 13y, 232d ago

I found how to fix the bug. Even saving the preview output would give blank pages when trying to print. I played around with the CSS a bit and got it to work. Removing #wrapper and #contentdiv CSS definitions fixed it.

I suggest a print.css for saving/printing the markdown output

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Paul DeCarli 13y, 234d ago

Hmmmmmm.

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Brett 13y, 234d ago

So it appears to only happen if you don't have a printer set up. I'll need to find a way to generate the PDF without a printer, which I also need to solve for Marked, so I'll be working on it.

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Paul DeCarli 13y, 234d ago

Strange. I totally have a printer set up: https://img.skitch.com/2011...

Granted it is an older printer (with a pretty old driver), but it's there and it works with everything else.

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vascouno 13y, 234d ago

I have been using altNV for months, and just downloaded 2.1 and Marked. I use both on three Macs and sync with Simplenote, but wonder about best location for Notes Folder. I have been using common Notes Folder on Drop Box for all three Macs by changing Preference, and don't notice a problem.

Thoughts or recommendation? Thanks for great work.

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mwschmeer 13y, 235d ago

I'm having the same problem--it won't launch on 10.5.8 on an Intel Core Duo iMac.

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Brett 13y, 234d ago

We'll look into it. I believe the final build was created with 10.5 as the minimum SDK, but we don't have Leopard machines to test on. 10.6 will soon be a minimum requirement, though, just FYI.

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mike 13y, 224d ago

Same problem here, nvAlt 2.1 will not launch in 10.5.8. I downgraded to 2.0 and it works fine.

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tim 13y, 13d ago

same problem... anyone have a link to the older nvALT 2.0 version?

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af 13y, 235d ago

New nvALT wont launch on os x 10.5.8. Are you phasing out support for leopard?

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af 13y, 234d ago

Also, it's a 2008 intel macbook.

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